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Ho Che Anderson tells it like it is

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by Jason Thibault

I first read the work of Ho Che Anderson back in the 1990′s when I ran across the first volume of his King trilogy in an indie bookshop in Montreal. Soon after I bought I Want to be Your Dog (from Eros) at my local comic shop and became a lifelong fan. Many years went by before I ran across Ho again. This time it was Danijel Zezelj who hooked me up with him by email. We got Ho to write a blurb for the back cover of Rex.


When passing through Toronto last summer I couldn’t resist looking him up and finally meeting the man in person. We shared a couple of beers downtown and engaged in a 2-hour conversation. I followed up by email (which is how I conducted this interview). The portrait below is the only photo thus far in the Masters of Ink series that I’ve taken personally. What follows below is 4000 words that are equal parts inspiring and heartbreaking. I want to read me some Godhead.

First professional work (piece / year) and maybe a quick story behind it.

That’s a bit of a tricky story. The first comics work I got paid for was a Grendel story I did in 89. For reasons I no longer remember the company, Comico, immediately shelved the project. Then later that year they hired me for another Grendel story, this one written by Steve Seagle. This would have been summer ‘90 I drew it, came out by the end of the year. So that was the first time I ever saw my work in print. I was 20, I’d been trying to break into the biz since I was like, 16. Who knew that job would be the start of nineteen years of pain and torture? And it wasn’t until ‘98 I think that that first Grendel story I did finally saw the light of day. By that time Comico had folded, Dark Horse was now publishing Grendel, and the internet was only beginning to slowly take over every aspect of our lives. A quick story about it? I cried like a total pussy as I drew that second Grendel comic because my girlfriend of all of two months dropped me like a wet rag half way through. You can still see the tear stains on the pages.

Self-taught or formally educated? (or mixture of both, mentors etc…)

Almost entirely self-taught. I did take a few extra-curricular art courses when I was a kid, and of course art was always part of school growing up, but I didn’t go to art college or anything (to my chagrin), I just drew and drew and drew, my entire life. The most valuable art training I had was in grade nine when I learned about perspective. The only valuable things I learned in all of high school were typing and perspective. My art teacher was a perspective master who took great pains to make sure his students had a solid grasp of the discipline which I have benefited from greatly ever since, so thank you Mr. Andre Sepa wherever you are, I’ve always wished I could thank you, not only for allowing me to get away with ruining many a class with my antics but also for being so strict about getting the work done. I can always spot in people’s stuff when they’re winging their perspective, when they don’t really understand the fundamentals, it’s glaring and I’m glad I managed to avoid that particular pitfall. On the other hand I’ve fallen into a million other pitfalls so maybe I shouldn’t get too smug.

I’ve had a couple mentors in the biz. I’ve always considered Matt Wagner to be a bit of a mentor, in that he gave me my first work in the field and offered me some good advice about the craft and the business at a time when I really needed it. The other one is a guy who’s sadly no longer with us, Lou Stathis, ex of Heavy Metal and High Times and Vertigo, who also took me under his wing when I was starting out by hiring me—and firing me—for a project around 1990. Lou was a crusty motherfucker, and I was a snotty know-it-all of a kid without the skills to back his shit up, and Lou busted my ass on many an occasion and I hated him for it, but it wasn’t long before I grew to love that guy. Ah, I loved him from the start, he was a real character. The funny thing is, no doubt if he were alive to read this he’d think I was totally full of shit. So it goes.

Tools of the trade: Taking a quick glance over at your pens, brushes etc…what tools have you mainly been using over the last few years?

Finally, someone unashamed to ask about this kind of thing. I love geeking out on this shit, and reading about other artists toolkits, but for some reason most people think no one wants to read about this stuff. Utter madness. Anyway, I use pretty much the same tools now that I started out with and they’re all the basics. I’ve used everything at one point or another and it’s always fun to make a line on a page, no matter what you use. The ax I use the most is a Hunt 107 pen nib in a brown holder. I also use an assortment of watercolor brushes, usually 4, 5, 6, in that range, though I’ve got a bunch of larger brushes for filling in those big areas of black. I buy cheap brushes, 4, 5 bucks, I use ‘em ‘til they’re frayed, and for some reason I almost never throw them away which means I have tonnes of ‘em. I often use flat brushes for painting, the kind that are cut on an angle, I don’t know what they’re called. I almost never use those hard, coarse oil painting brushes, not even for oils. I find watercolor brushes work in oil just as well as they do in watercolor or acrylic or whatever. I also use markers or drawing pens when I draw ruled lines. I have a full set of ellipse templates that I used to use all the time in the 80s and 90s for drawing word balloons and machinery or whatever. I’d get in there with my rapidograph—another forgotten technology—and use every excuse I could come up with to draw an ellipse.


For some reason those shits were a lot of fun. I still get a kick out of using them but the opportunities aren’t there like they used to be. For penciling, I use anything from an HB for sketching, to a 6H when I’m penciling something on really rough paper. The most comfortable for penciling tends to be 2H to 4H, but it depends on the brand, and since I’m not much of a brand loyalist in most areas they change all the time. For painting I tend to use acrylics, usually Liquitex, but I also like to paint with oils, and sometimes, occasionally, with gouache. Sometimes I mess around with scratchboard when I’m feeling adventurous, but I’m years away from developing a credible scratchboard technique. And let’s not forget Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign; no toolkit is complete these days without some familiarity with the computer. Lately I’ve also added photo-reference to my list of tricks. For years I just made stuff up but at a certain point I realized almost all the great artists I admired had clearly done their homework before they started drawing.

I love abstract art, but no matter how abstract I take my stuff I still want it to be essentially figurative based, and more and more I want it to be informed by the details of reality. There are subtleties you can get from life that you just don’t get when you pull something entirely from your mind. Understand, I’m not saying one is necessarily better than the other. Obviously there are things you can pull from your mind that you’ll never find in the real world. But I’ve tried one and for the time being I want to focus on the other.

Favorite brand of ink:

Hands down, Dr. P. H. Martin’s Black Star. The matte version. Absolutely the best ink on the market. If there’s anything better I’d like to know about it. It’s thick and generally easy to spread, though you do tend to have to add water from time to time as it thickens up kinda quick. And black as night. I don’t buy anything else unless I’m in a pinch and there isn’t anything else available. Easiest question on the list.

Type of paper:

Depends. I’ll use whatever’s handy, and I’ve drawn on everything from typing paper to Arches 300 lb cold press. For the last couple years I’ve bought a lot of Strathmore watercolor paper, 140 lb cold press. In case someone reading doesn’t know, the weight determines the thickness; the heavier the weight, the thicker the paper, and cold press paper is the rougher paper which I use because I like a bit of tooth in my paper, I like the resistance rougher paper offers my drawing pen. Hot pressed paper is smooth which some cartoonists like because they can do a lot of line work a lot easier. I like hot press too but if I get to choose I always go for cold press. I also buy Cotman’s watercolor paper and occasionally even good ol’ fashioned Bristol board. For painting I like to use illustration board, usually Peterboro No. 79, or masonite, I love painting on that shit, makes me feel like Frank Frazetta or something. I like heavier drawing paper because, even though it’s more expensive, sometimes painfully so, it feels more luxurious to draw on, and I’m also thinking of the thing’s resale value. A nicer paper is more appealing to a buyer. And it lasts longer. It can be heartbreaking to look at one of your old drawings and see the paper yellowing and getting brittle. Still, everything dies eventually.

Which artists or creators do you return to for a quick boost of inspiration? Who are the masters of ink?

So damn many. I could fill a page with my faves. My favorite artists were always the ones who could switch back and forth between black and white and full color, which is one of a thousand reasons why Bill Sienkiewicz used to routinely blow my mind back in the 80s and 90s. If we’re talking the masters of ink specifically… Howard Chaykin is a big one for me. There have always been better artists, but no cartoonist’s work ever moved me more than Chaykin’s when I was coming up. I’d been aware of him since his Star Wars adaptation back in the 70s but I didn’t get turned on to his stuff in a big way until ’86 when The Shadow came out, and from then until ’89 or ’90 this guy turned out a series of books that got me more excited than anything else that was going on at the time. I have to reluctantly admit his stuff isn’t quite as strong these days as it was back in his heyday but for the inspiration he provided during my formative years and for the thrills I still get when I flip through that stuff I’ll always be the world’s biggest Chaykin fan. Chaykin, Frank Miller, Bill Sienkiewicz, Los Bros Hernandez; those guys were my holy trinity (yes, I know there’re five of ‘em) of comics, not just from a drawing standpoint but also a writing standpoint because I’ve always been in love with writer/artists, and even Sienkiewicz practiced that dual role with Stray Toasters. You could even add Kyle Baker to that rarefied list. I’m talking, again, about the 80s and 90s.

I’m kinda old skool in a way. Miller was blowing my mind even before Chaykin when I discovered him through Ronin. That book impressed me immensely, the way Miller shifted his inking technique with each new chapter, the way he demolished narrative rules and created brand new ones in his quest to push the medium to another level. Other ink artists I admire are, in no particular order, Jason Lutes, particularly the magnificent Berlin, easily one of the greatest comics I’ve ever read; Douglas Fraser, a fantastic commercial illustrator who occasionally slums it by doing some comics; Charles Burns—read the collected Black Hole not long ago and it killed; F. Solano Lopez; Eddie Campbell, whom I’m including because I just read From Hell and was blown away by it; Dave McKean; Herge; David Mazzucchelli; the master Alex Toth; the sublime Milton Caniff; Alberto Breccia; Danijel Zezelj; Denis Bajram, whom I’ve just discovered through the excellent Universal War One; Jose Munoz; Richard Corben, who absolutely will not be stopped; Mike Grell; Adam Hughes; Lynd Ward; Joe Sacco—and I think I’m just gonna end it there. I could easily list a hundred more names. There are a lot of artists I love dearly.

Once a client has handed off an illustration job to you, how do you first tackle the job? Could you provide us with a quick overview of your process?

First off, I read the material. Which may seem obvious, but I’ve been surprised a bunch of times to find out that some artists just wing it. And get away with it. Then I sit down with my sketchbook and do a series of quick sketches, I’m talking about thumbnails. I might do ten or so, as many as it takes to get a range of directions I might go. More often than not one or two will emerge as the strongest. Once I’ve got five or six solid ideas I usually do slightly tighter, larger sketches, then I scan them and send them to the art director. We’ll discuss the sketches and settle on one to turn into a finished piece. Sometimes they’ll want to see a color comp but mostly they’ll let me just go ahead and do it. But every job’s different. Some clients tell me to just do whatever I want and if they like it they’ll buy it, and they always buy it. Other clients they want to see every fucking stage and they’ve got notes on everything. And then when it’s done they’ve got even more notes and you have to go back and make changes and you hand it in and they’ve still got notes. An artist buddy of mine’s got an entirely different process. He’ll get a job and do four or five finished pieces and show them to the AD, who then chooses the best one. I’m always thinking, what if they hate them all? And what do you do with the ones they don’t choose? That just sounds like too much work to me, but to him the way I do it is crazy. I guess we’re all different.

What’s currently sitting in your mp3 / CD player / turntable?

The last two records I bought were Kanye West’s The College Dropout and Metric’s Live It Out. Oh yeah, and the soundtrack to Once Upon a Time in the West, and a Curtis Mayfield greatest hits package. It’s funny, when I was a kid up until my 20s I was a music fanatic, I always knew what was current, I read about music, I followed it quite passionately, then at a certain point I started losing interest in keeping up to date with everything going on, it just started feeling like too much work and I’m lazy by nature. I still love music and listen to it all the time but its rare I buy new stuff and I only download occasionally.

What’s hanging on your walls and what is your favorite piece of art that you own (not created by you)?

My favorite? Easy: my cherished poster for Apocalypse Now, painted by Jedi Master Bob Peak. Love that motherfucker. It hangs above my drawing board and I study it daily. Another favorite is the cover to the soundtrack to Raiders of the Lost Ark painted by the great Richard Amsel. I’m very inspired by movie art be it production art, say by someone like one my great idols Ralph McQuarrie, or poster art by someone like Drew Struzan. I don’t have a lot hanging on my walls. I don’t have a studio exactly, but I have an area of my apartment that functions as such and the walls in that section are filled with images: some 1930s propaganda posters I bought in Spain, an old Mr. X poster, a couple Adam Hughes posters, some of my shit, a Bill Sienkiewicz Superman portfolio cover, a Che Guevara postcard, another postcard featuring a chick with a big ass afro, some photos of girls, etc, etc, etc. A bunch of stuff. I keep them there because they inspire me. In my living room I’ve got a French jazz poster and the one sheet for the Chinatown sequel The Two Jakes painted by a guy named Rodriguez that I would love to know more about because he’s an amazing artist. I’d love to get that thing framed one day. Other than that my walls are pretty blank. When I was younger my walls were covered in images but these days for whatever reason I don’t do that so much anymore.

Last novel you read and last movie that you saw (that you’d recommend)?

The last movie I saw was The Day The Earth Stood Still, which I totally dug. I liked the way they updated the material and for once Keanu’s wooden acting style really suited the story and the character. The last novel I read was a graphic novel, Alan Moore’s and Eddie Campbell’s
From Hell. Fucking Brilliant.

Current and upcoming projects?

I just finished a new book called Sand & Fury, which will be published next year by Fantagraphics Books. It’s 136 pages, black, white and red. I did a comic called Scream Queen a few years ago which I think sold three whole copies, a short horror story about a banshee, a woman who screams under the windows of people who are about to die. This new book expands the original story by adding some background on the protagonist, and taking her on a grisly new adventure. If we can move five copies with this one I’ll feel like I’ve done my job.

Right now I’m working on a couple new things. One is a short film called The Salesman that I’ve written and will be directing. It’s a story about a gun salesman who sells a gun to the wrong guy. I’ve been a frustrated filmmaker for, what, 20 years?, so I thought it was time I finally got off my ass, stop talking about doing it and just fucking do it. Me and my partner are forming a small company and we’re hoping to start rolling by the middle of March.

And then there’s Godhead….

I mentioned Denis Bajram earlier; let me tell you how jealous I am of this guy for getting to do Universal War One, first in France, and now in America through Marvel. He’s doing exactly what I want to do, a big sprawling full color science-fiction epic. The difference is he’s clearly doing something right whereas I’m clearly doing something wrong. I first dreamed up this project in 2001; I started pitching it in 2002. I thought for sure I’d have the thing set up by 2003. I am writing this four days before the start of 2009—2009!—and I’m still trying to get it set up. The story’s about a corporation that creates a machine that allows the user to talk to god, and the Vatican-sanctioned commandos who are contracted to destroy it. It’s got robots and badasses with big guns. I’m dying to do this thing, it would be the first of three stories, just because everyone’s gotta have their trilogy. I’ve come very close to setting it up several times but I’ve never quite been able to close the deal. Right now I’m talking to a couple of publishers about doing it—I was hoping to get the word by now but unfortunately nothing ever moves swiftly as it pertains to my career.


Hopefully by the end of January I’ll know one way or the other. Regardless of what I hear from these people I’ve recently decided to just do the book, effective immediately. It’s already written, I just need to sit down and turn out the pages, which isn’t going to be an easy task because I’m painting the thing and it’s going to be 300 pages long. And since I’ll probably be doing it without the support of a publisher and thus won’t be making any money off it until it’s done, if then, it’ll probably take me a good five to ten years to complete, as opposed to the two it would take if the money were coming in. Which makes me a total mental case to even attempt something like this. But I’ll be certifiable if I don’t do it and get it out of my system so I better just do it and get it over with. And this’ll no doubt be my last comic. I’ve been in the field for a long, long time and the truth is I haven’t really managed to develop much of a fan or client base.

When I was starting out I knew—I mean I fucking knew I was going to have a successful career, and for the first few years everything went exactly according to plan. I had money and more importantly I had opportunities. But somewhere along the way I must have made a wrong turn because things haven’t gone the way I thought they were going to. My pitches always get rejected and there’s basically zero demand for my stuff—witness the amount of time I’ve been trying to get Godhead out there—so there’s no point in continuing past this project. Sorry to be a downer. And never say never of course, but just the same, I’m pretty sure after this one, that’s it. I don’t know, maybe I’ll be like Mario Puzo. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t until he was in his forties before he became successful, when he wrote The Godfather. I could be wrong about that but I know it didn’t come easy for him. I was always a bit of a late bloomer.

I also have to get out there and hustle up some paying work. I had a great year in 2008 and made enough money from my commercial work that I could do my own thing for a while and not have to look for a paying gig. But that cash is rapidly coming to an end so I needs to get myself a J-O-B. No doubt about it, 2009’s gonna be a grueling year.

What would you tell an aspiring artist who is working his ass off but still needs and wants to break through to the next level?

Well, in many ways I’m still an aspiring artist trying to break through to the next level so I’m not sure what advice I could give anyone that would be worth the taking. The best advice I could possibly offer is…GIVE UP NOW! Don’t become an artist, especially not a comic book artist! Put down your pen and find something responsible to do with your life. It’s next to impossible to make a living and more than likely you’ll have to accept rejection as your constant companion. Become a lawyer or a doctor or an accountant or something but do not, I repeat DO NOT become an artist! I wish someone had given me that advice when I was starting out because I’d be a happier guy now. But—if you’re determined to do it—just keep working and trying to get better. If it’s commercial success you crave, study what sells and try to emulate it. If it’s your unique artistic vision that motivates you just keep doing what you’re doing. If you’re serious you’re going to anyway, regardless of what me or anyone else has to say, negative or positive. And that’s really all I can say.

Short film featuring art by Ho Che Anderson

Buy Ho Che Anderson’s graphic novels at Fantagraphics or Amazon.
Check out his original art on sale at The Beguiling.

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About Jason Thibault

Jason Thibault is a writer, artist and founder of the micro digital content agency Massive Kontent. He can often be found showing other artists and creatives how to market and brand themselves. Follow Jason on Twitter.

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  • http://awkward-emporium.blogspot.com Anja Flower

    “Give up now” is a really irresponsible thing to say to aspiring artists. The world needs more art, not less, and promoting the idea that speaking one’s heart through art is “irresponsible” is giving in to all the age-old prejudices against artists that make it even more difficult for us to make a living. Get a life.

    That said, he is a -great- ink artist.

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  • http://noerasing.wordpress.com ChrisCP

    I’m a bit horrified to see that remark about using watercolor brushes for oils. The reason for the different brushes is that watercolor brushes are usually made of expensive, more easily damaged hair that won’t stand up to the solvents used in oils. It’s got nothing to do with whether they work just as well, duh. I hope he’s not using *good* watercolor brushes with oil paints. What a terrible waste that would be.

    And I agree with Anja Flower about just tossing out that “give up now” nonsense. You don’t know who’s going to read/hear your words and take them to heart. I wanted to be a veterinarian when I was a kid and then some dumb-as-rocks vet told me it wasn’t worth it and I gave up my dream, thinking I must be an idiot to want to be something that even a vet didn’t think was worth the trouble. I may have been the vet who figured out how to save a horse like Barbaro, but thanks to the thoughtless remarks of one vet, we’ll never know.

    I don’t know this guy Ho Che Anderson from a hole in the ground (comics ain’t my thang–I got here by googling “my drawing pen”), but reading his words here, he sounds like a grade-A idiot to me.

  • Adrian Johnson

    Can I just thank you very much for getting this interview with Ho Che?!

    I am a huge fan of his. In fact, I bought one of those three copies of Scream Queen. His work is great and I’ve been waiting for any word on his new projects like Godhead for a while now.

    You know, I was reading his old Comics Journal interview from 1994 ‘ The Black Issue’ just a couple of nights ago. Comparing that to this interview, I have to say that he sounds refreshed to a degree with comics. Also, this interview went a longer way in confirming the Chaykin connection I’ve always seen in his work.

    In closing, to the poster(s) who said that he sounds like an idiot or irresponsible, consider this: Cartooning is a selfish mistress that demands passionate love and attention to fully appreciate its rewards; of which there are few. Therefore, don’t get into cartooning expecting to make ‘Peanuts’ money. Those days have long past. Do it for the freedom and horizons of singular expression that comics offer.

  • michele efache

    absolutely great presentation thanks

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